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Against All Authority
« on: July 03, 2020, 06:24:44 PM »
Antifa, in conjunction with BLM, are essentially a Marxist communist organizations. They have hijacked the well meaning and justifiable outrage caused by the horrific murder of a black man in police custody, to further their totalitarian agenda.
What you have been witnessing on the nightly news is not the peaceful protests guaranteed by our U.S. Constitution, but the violent, unlawful efforts of anarchists which have upset the peaceful existence of hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens.
Many fundamentally good people are being duped into believing that supporting these Marxist totalitarians is good for themselves, or the "underprivileged" or "oppressed" minorities they claim to be "defending" or "representating".
What is truly frightening is that good people are believing the lies put forth by these anti-capilatist/pro-communist totalitarians. They seem oblivious to the fact the current Democratic candidate for the Presidency is a classic deepstate corrupt politician, who has degraded into a mentally incompetent puppet easily manipulated by those same totalitarian fascists mentioned above.
These peaceful, well intentioned voters seem convinced that appeasing these facist bullys will bring an end to the rioting in the streets. They need only look to the anarchy, rapes and murders in the "autonomous zone" in Seattle, or 5he "cop free" zone outside NYC City Hall

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2020, 08:07:23 PM »
I ran across a link on Fox News that provides the whys about this. It's something that I have known about for a while but the link provide a much better description of the history behind it. The French revolution turned out a good deal different than our revolution because it was started without the values needed for a peaceful society. Unfortunately the Anarchist are making the same mistake that the French did.
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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2020, 08:09:52 PM »
Great! Thank you, Dena. What stands out to me is....
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What we celebrate on the Fourth of July is not just American independence or a particular document signed by a bunch of dead white males. We celebrate a model for political change that celebrates individual freedoms instead of trying to stamp them out.
It’s a model that ultimately opened the door to freedom for all Americans under the rule of law, instead of the rule of the mob or the secret police. It’s an ideal of freedom that ultimately freed the slaves, gave votes to women, and made us a nation of immigrants instead of (what radicals like to claim) a nation of racists.

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2020, 03:05:38 AM »
Great! Thank you, Dena. What stands out to me is....

Gotta love it! I'm more a movie fan am wearing my Patriot shirt today (which daughter likes and wants!)
  • Benjamin Martin: Would you tell me, please, Mister Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?

    An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a King can. I have seven (six) children. My wife is dead (an idiot, barely knows the diff between dem & Repub). Now who's to care for them if I go to war? ;)

  • Colonel Burwell: Wars are not fought only by childless men . . And your principles?

  • Benjamin Martin: I'm a parent. I haven't got the luxury of principles . . But mark my words. This war will be fought not on the frontier or on some distant battlefield, but amongst us -- among our homes. Our children will learn of it with their own eyes. And the innocent will die with the rest of us.[/i]
From The Patriot! When it comes to 'mob rule' and 'cancel culture' then civil war is the only war worth fighting! Have a .357 mag Silver Henry and two Auto-5 Humback Brownings bring it on!
My kids are ready too! Have my own water-well, solar-power with a backup CNG genset and enough chickens to feed a small army!

What I don't understand is why, with this COVID19 thing, they let these BLM people demonstrate at all? Trump in South Dakota: "Keep On Rockin' in The Free World!"
Quote from: screw you, Neil Young
       Grammy Award-winning musician lashed out at President Trump after hearing one of his songs played against his wishes during recent pre-midterm campaign rallies.
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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2020, 04:26:23 PM »
Trump in South Dakota: "Keep On Rockin' in The Free World!"[/size]

I hope you know Trump did not have permission to use the song and Neil Young objects to him using it... I think that is called stealing intellectual property in the free world...

-karen

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2020, 06:07:00 PM »
Normally in the music world, if you pay the music royalty fee, you should be able to use the music. It has worked this way for many years in movies and on the radio. Seems that some of the artist are adding additional conditions to their original contract. This link covers the basics that most artist agree to when they put their music up for sale.

I don't know if additional conditions were put on the music before it was marketed but I suspect not. Most artist aren't lawyers and often don't consider the possible uses their work might be used for.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2020, 05:21:33 AM »
. . stealing intellectual property in the free world...

      Wow! Never realized the unwilling "campaign contribution" list was so long! Surely somebody would have sued by now if able? Besides, COVID19 appears to have solved "the rally problem" just go hide in a Biden-like bunker?
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Neil Young, Mick Jagger, Guns N' Roses, Ozzy Osbourne, Aerosmith, Dee Snider, Queen / Brian May, R.E.M., Elton John, Free's Paul Rodgers, Tom Petty Estate, Prince Estate, George Harrison Estate ("If it had been 'Beware of Darkness,' then we MAY have approved it! #TrumpYourself,") Paul McCartney, U2's Bono, Roger Waters, Bruce Springsteen, David Crosby,

       THANKYOU celebrities for "outing" yourselves but I say the less money spent on election "major network advertising" and "polls" the better? As divided as this country is nothing "real" is gonna change between now and November!

(ps: Starting to think this "social distancing" is a GREAT thing with official fireworks "gatherings" canceled last night my neighborhood was awash for 'bout two hours with constant 360 "booms, whistles and flashes" like I've never seen or heard before!)

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2020, 10:20:43 AM »
I hope you know Trump did not have permission to use the song and Neil Young objects to him using it... I think that is called stealing intellectual property in the free world...

-karen

Better call the impeachment squad!

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2020, 10:36:20 AM »
Better call the impeachment squad!

If this country (and the republican party in particular) had the sense of morality it did back in Nixon's time, Trump would not be president now. He should have been convicted.

IMO he is the biggest danger to the constitutional principle of the balance of powers we have had since the civil war. And he is without doubt the Divider in Chief.

Thank goodness it looks like we will only have to deal with him for bit over 6 more months.

-Karen

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2020, 10:42:07 AM »
Besides, COVID19 appears to have solved "the rally problem" just go hide in a Biden-like bunker?

A president should model the behavior the public should follow in pandemic for the health of the country, and not send mixed messages... He should be more concerned with that then his re-election.

 We are certainly seeing the negative results of Trump's messaging that in number of states now.

-Karen


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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2020, 01:17:46 PM »
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We are certainly seeing the negative results of Trump's messaging that in number of states now.-Karen
Sure thing Karen😩 Let's keep trying to blame Trump for everything while specifically ignored all the maskless rioters looters and vandals.
Let's ignore the 100s of DEAD BLACK LIVES LOST in Democratically run cities. Cities where the DEMOCRATIC establishment b including MAYORS, POLICE CHIEFS, PROSECUTORS and DOG CATCHERS who get rich PANDERING to CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED teachers unions who line their own pockets TORPEDO any efforts at school choice in order to keep their N*****s uneducated, impoverished and dependent handouts from the Massa.
Your bigotry and ignorance is STUNNING.

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2020, 01:47:31 PM »
Quote from Karen:Sure thing Karen😩 Let's keep trying to blame Trump for everything while specifically ignored all the maskless rioters looters and vandals.

First many of the  protesters WERE wearing masks...

So you are comparing the behavior of  the present of the united states who as leader should be modeling the best behavior to keep the country safe, to that of criminals? I think the expectations and responsibilities are a bit different. I think that is called a false equivalence.

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Let's ignore the 100s of DEAD BLACK LIVES LOST in Democratically run cities.

Again another false equivalence IMO. That has more to to with poverty and capitalism than anything else... poverty that is worsened by draconian republican policies towards the poor.

I know you are black... have you ever lived in an inner city ghetto? I did in the 60's in teh times of the race riots and there was one in my neighborhood (and I am white) ... The underlying issue is poverty and lack of opportunity...

And without unions teh typical worker would be far worst off today... the leverage of teh unions are needed to counteract the those looking to squeeze every last buck out of an operation irrespective of treating employees fairly. Are there some abuses? Sure but everything gets abused sometimes...

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Your bigotry and ignorance is STUNNING.

Well i would say that was uncalled for as my repose was civil and reasoned....

-karen

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2020, 05:43:13 PM »
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That has more to to with poverty and capitalism than anything else... poverty that is worsened by draconian republican policies towards the poor.
This is the major fallacy: IE, LIE, of your leftist Fraud.
You keep trying to blame "Republican capitalism". You are SOOO WRONG. Capitalism is the greatest creator of wealth ever invented. Socialism/Communism is the cause of the greatest slaughters on Earth
 See: Stalinism, Maoism, Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia and yes, Nazi Germany.
Or...
Look at current chaos in your demon rat run cities.
Seattle, NYC, Baltimore, etc etc etc.

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2020, 06:06:39 PM »
This is the major fallacy: IE, LIE, of your leftist Fraud.
You keep trying to blame "Republican capitalism". You are SOOO WRONG. Capitalism is the greatest creator of wealth ever invented.

Concentrated in the hands of few if not properly regulated... and today here it's not.

I have no issue with capitalism as long as it is properly regulated- it may be the best system... History has shown however that unfettered capitalism had lot of negative consequences for many.

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Look at current chaos in your demon rat run cities.

Language like that is my cue that further discussion is pointless.

-Karen

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2020, 06:27:48 PM »
First many of the  protesters WERE wearing masks...

So you are comparing the behavior of  the present of the united states who as leader should be modeling the best behavior to keep the country safe, to that of criminals? I think the expectations and responsibilities are a bit different. I think that is called a false equivalence.

Again another false equivalence IMO. That has more to to with poverty and capitalism than anything else... poverty that is worsened by draconian republican policies towards the poor.

I know you are black... have you ever lived in an inner city ghetto? I did in the 60's in teh times of the race riots and there was one in my neighborhood (and I am white) ... The underlying issue is poverty and lack of opportunity...

And without unions teh typical worker would be far worst off today... the leverage of teh unions are needed to counteract the those looking to squeeze every last buck out of an operation irrespective of treating employees fairly. Are there some abuses? Sure but everything gets abused sometimes...

Well i would say that was uncalled for as my repose was civil and reasoned....

-karen

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2020, 07:08:12 PM »
Concentrated in the hands of few if not properly regulated... and today here it's not.

I have no issue with capitalism as long as it is properly regulated- it may be the best system... History has shown however that unfettered capitalism had lot of negative consequences for many.

Language like that is my cue that further discussion is pointless.

-Karen

Your right Karen. We should agree to disagree. Your talking points are empty rhetoric and tiresome at best and simply unable to even attempt to answer the difficult truths you are confronted with. Your choice to surrender under the guise of the "offended smowflake" is prudent. There is no shame in defeat to a preponderance of empirical facts.
Just a closing thought for you to ponder: 13 dead, 59 wounded in Chicago just this past weekend. A major U.S. C it. run by a corrupt Democratic establishment. But of course...."It's all Trump's fault"
Yes. I grew up in abject poverty in the inner city. Nevertheless, my mother understood the value of a GOOD education and when she re-marrief she was able to ensure my education was the absolute best money could buy. After high school, it was up to me, but l had the tools and the skills to excel thanks to my mother's sacrifice.
Forgive me for not waiting on, or depending on others to solve my problems, and having something less than "respect" for their talking points and false narratives.

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Re: Against All Authority
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2020, 05:47:00 PM »
If this country (and the republican party in particular) had the sense of morality it did back in Nixon's time, Trump would not be president now. He should have been convicted.

IMO he is the biggest danger to the constitutional principle of the balance of powers we have had since the civil war. And he is without doubt the Divider in Chief.

Thank goodness it looks like we will only have to deal with him for bit over 6 more months.

-Karen
Convicted of what? Defeating Crooked Clinton and her corrupt gang of thieves, lining their pockets at the expense of American workers especially Blacks and minorities.
Your only hope is to get off the kook-aid.
But no...its much too sweet and l fear you are totally. Addicted6

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2020, 04:59:38 PM »
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What I don't understand is why, with this COVID19 thing, they let these BLM people demonstrate at all?

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I think that some governments are trying to stop the protests but don't want to be accused of totalitarian brutality.  I'm sure that one of the reasons that governments are tempted to get people back to work before medical advisors recommend it is not just to restart economies but because "idle hands do the Devil's work".

That way it doesn't look like totalitarian brutality.  Unfortunately, the death toll will be much higher than if it were.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2020, 07:30:15 PM »
I think that some governments are trying to stop the protests but don't want to be accused of totalitarian brutality.  I'm sure that one of the reasons that governments are tempted to get people back to work before medical advisors recommend it is not just to restart economies but because "idle hands do the Devil's work".

That way it doesn't look like totalitarian brutality.  Unfortunately, the death toll will be much higher than if it were.
I could not disagree more!  To begin, your premise is wrong and of course, without foundation. It is pure conjecture. The FACTS are that in "progressive/liberal" run cities like NYC, Seattle, Baltimore, Philadelphia, to name just few, corrupt Democratic govts cannot offend their leftist base.
In addition these democratic politicians profit from the poverty and dependency of their primarily minority base.
Hows many small conservative cities are experience the soaring crime and murder rates found in Democratically run cities?
I would argue that the main reason that "governments" are wanting to restart the economy is that in shutting it down has shut down their revenue stream. In addition their population is becoming increasingly restive.
As for "totalitarian brutality" try exercising your free speech jn the form of wearing a mega hat I Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ