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Offline karen_A

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2020, 07:16:55 PM »
And...Black Lives Matter...BUTi]B[/i]
67 shot / 17 dead in Chicago just this past week-end....
And just tonight, in Chicago....14 shot at a funeral home....
But the local Democratic mayor, a Black woman, wants to defund the police.

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2020, 04:27:13 AM »
    Many (most?) rural counties don't even have 'male homeless shelters' so you sleep out of your car, if lucky enough to have one, right along with all the wrongly accused dispossessed fathers?

    Spent over a year with a trans friend's family in Atlanta while she dragged her feet, the divorce still "pending" . . My lawyer didn't care all were shocked and amazed when I somehow managed, now forget how, to force our 'final' back onto the court docket!

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but what you can do for your Country"

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2020, 07:38:24 AM »
Injustice.

Trans news for nothing good except to stir hate and fear.  For some  extra segment of percieved votes.
Distraction.  Using vulnerable people (and parasitic, self-righteously indignated knights and watchdogs)  against each other.

Not sure how BLM, police defunding, and Chicago funeral home mass shooting directly connect with this manipulative press release. 
I feel used just reading it.
Head up moving forward

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2020, 02:01:23 PM »
You re absolutely correct. Both are examples of media manipulations.

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2020, 05:56:04 PM »
Not sure how BLM, police defunding, and Chicago funeral home mass shooting directly connect with this manipulative press release. 

Trump supporters are experts at false equivalencies and WhatAboutism instead of discussing the specific situation.

I don't believe that Trump personally really cares about trans anything one way or another... IMO it about trying to keep his base loyal despite his obvious leadership incompetence by feeding into their prejudices and fears. That is not what real leaders do.

That is why I see him as the divider in chief  and the most dangerous president to the country's unity, its founding principles, and democracy that we have had in my lifetime, at a minimum!

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2020, 08:01:46 PM »
Both parties do it. Rules and Regulations, executive orders are all unconstitutional unless within the the boundaries of the laws passed by Congress. The president and unelected bureaucrats shouldn't be making laws as that is only the domain of congress. Unfortunately for many years congress as been avoiding their real duty and as the result, we are obtaining the progressive goal of a Parliamentary government instead of a Republic. The reason this is bad is because Parliamentary governments place far to much power in the hands of one person or unelected officials so the voice of the people is silenced.
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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2020, 08:05:34 PM »
It's raining. Hard. And I can't do what I planned to for today.

So I guess I'll once again don my cultural confoundment cape and try to figure out what is going on. But first, my standard caveat. I'm an outsider who grew up very very far from the United States. I'm often baffled by what I see in the news. I may be wrong. And no-one needs to agree with me.


Very well, then... here goes...

The Housing and Urban Development proposal instructs shelters to try to identify trans women by height, facial hair, and Adam’s apples.

OK... Terrible!!! But....

A proposed Housing and Urban Development rule would allow federally funded homeless shelters to judge a person’s physical characteristics, such as height and facial hair, in determining whether they belong in a women’s or men’s shelter

I'm confused... So which is it? Are they instructing them to do so? Or allowing them to do so? Hmmmmm....


The proposed rule, first announced by HUD in a press release issued on July 1, would essentially reverse the Obama-era rule that required homeless shelters to house trans people according to their gender identity.

Why doesn't the article define the criteria used for verifying the person's "gender identity." What are they?

While the new rule would bar shelters from excluding people based on their transgender status, it would also allow shelters to ignore a person’s gender identity — and instead house them according to their assigned sex at birth or their legal sex. In other words, a trans woman can’t be turned away from a shelter for being trans, but she can be forced to go to a men’s shelter.

Again, the article omits to define the criteria for determining the person's "transgender status." What are they?

Anyway... To be forced to go to a men's shelter does sound very serious... I certainly would prefer sleeping in an alley or on a bench. Absolutely hideous!!!
Perhaps the link provided may provide more information...


The proposed rule modifications also better accommodate religious beliefs of shelter providers. For example, such policies could be based on biological sex, sex as identified on official government identification, or the current rule’s mandate of self-identified gender identity.

Hmmm... So, if a shelter run by a religious organization has a single sex policy, then criteria other than "gender identity" may be used to determine eligibility to use that shelter. Such as government ID. Or biological sex. But they're not instructed to do so. But... wait...?

Religious beliefs of provider? May?

Actually, to me that makes some sense. If someone who loves cats founds a private cat shelter, isn't it up to him to decide whether the animal offered is a cat or dog? Based on looks, pedigree or DNA sample? Or whatever criteria he chooses...

But... I'm even more puzzled. Once again, if "gender identity?" were to be the sole criterion, what are the criteria whereby the staff should determine each person's "gender identity?" Would a lightning realization that one is transgender be enough? Or would one need to have e.g. a psychiatrist's letter attesting to it?

No... it can't be a psychiatrist's letter since the APA views transgender as a non-medical term. Ugh. So, what, then? A therapist's letter?

But let's read on...


All shelters serving a specific sex must provide people who they do not accommodate with information about other shelters in the area that can meet their needs. Similarly, if a shelter elects in its policy to accommodate persons whose gender identity is different from their sex, persons who have concerns with being housed with persons of a different biological sex, such concerned persons must be provided a referral to a facility whose policy is based on biological sex.

Ah... Wow!
The parts I highlighted seem pretty significant.


So, if a single sex shelter does allow people in based on their "gender identity" and there are other users whom this makes uncomfortable, it is they who feel uncomfortable that must be guided to a shelter that does not allow entry based on that criterion.

It's not unilateral then. And... I didn't see any mention of sending gender identity proclaiming supplicants to a men's shelter like the article intimates. I wonder where that came from...
Rather the rule would seem to say they must be sent to a facility that can meet their needs.


Given the above, the proposed situation would appear to be:

Shelters that don't accept "gender identity" as the criterion for admittance must guide such suppliants to a shelter that does accept that criterion.

Shelters that do accept "gender identity" as the criterion for admittance must guide anyone whom such clients makes uncomfortable to a facility that does meet her needs. I.e. one that does not accept "gender identity" as the sole criterion.


Were this not the case, then I guess universal acceptance of "gender identity" would grant special rights to those who are admitted based on it that would obligate the providers to always ignore any discomfort caused to any other users of the facility.


I still don't understand how they were supposed to verify people's gender identity...


...but, be that as it may, unlike the article claims, the HUD link seems to say no-one would force me to go to a men's shelter based on my height after all.
Rather, the provider would be obligated to guide me to a shelter that accepts "gender identity" (whatever that is) as a ticket for admittance...
Or perhaps even allow me to sleep in an alley, should I so wish.

Yay!

Edit: Grammar, clarity
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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2020, 08:06:30 PM »
Karen, you sound  like a truly indoctrinated leftist.
You have no idea what you are wishing for and/promoting.
I suppose lowering the unemployment rate for minorities and women to historic rates, creating wealth for tens of millions of Americans, strengthening our borders, confronting communist China, promoting law and order and generally doing a better job promoting our American way of life, would be seen as a bad thing for someone like yourself that knows nothing better than wallowing in self pity and mediocrity..

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2020, 08:20:26 PM »
Zirconia. I can certainly understand how confusing this faux outrage is over what seems like a perfectly reasonable proposal.
This proposal is a very tepid response to the Obama era executive order which allowed a fully endowed adult male to run out a high school swim team from their changing room, sauna and showers.
When police were called to the facility in response to a "naked man exposing himself in the girls sauna" they were told by school administrators that their policy allowed for anyone "identifying as female" to enter and enjoy the girls facilities.
Welcome to out brave new "equality" of misery.

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2020, 08:24:19 PM »
So one's word is/was sufficient verification?

Amazing...

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Re: trump administration memo explains how to spot transgender woman
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2020, 09:23:30 PM »
Yes. Quite. I say I'm a woman, therefore l are one.