Don’t you hate it when? Let’s rant about anything! (story/rant – long)

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Tell that to George Floyd.

I agree. That was not justice. It certainly appears to be a clear case of intentionally malicious, sadistic murder. I never disputed that.

[Antisthenes]

Projecting much?

Lol...weak bait.

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Lol...weak bait.

Irrelevance, much?

[Antisthenes]

I agree. That was not justice. It certainly appears to be a clear case of intentionally malicious, sadistic murder. I never disputed that.

Then why did you jump down my throat like a rabid dog? Your verbiage matters. The  DA arrested him for murder  Your original post appears to espouse the privileged white males justification for what happened

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Perhaps you misinterpreted. Made incorrect assumptions. It happens.

[Antisthenes]

I made nothing of the sort. But I would like to move on from this. Can we agree to disagree?

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Sure. I'm happy to stop wasting your time.

[Antisthenes]

Thank you.

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Can we go back on point now?
"..... my rant. I'm sick and tired of narcisstic overly entitled little shits trashing my city and using the tragic, unjustified, and just plain horrible death of a man whuo from what little is known about him, is just a hard working stiff, as an excuse to riot, loot and burn.
I'm also pissed at those putrid, commie, socialist Bolshevik cowards who are so afraid of their far left base, they won't allow the cops to do what they do best which is to bust heads and take names.
Love and peace to you all.💞💖💖😈😒😒😒😒😒
Perhaps l should clarify so there is no more misunderstanding. I am in favor of peaceful protest against injustice. I am offended and outraged by wannabe anarchists, petty theives and destructive thugs taking advantage of righteous outrage to loot and steal.

[Elisabeth]

On another note...

I got to the bar about 6:30 only to be informed they were closing at 7:30 because of a stupid 8:00pm curfew implemented by our fuctard governor. All my boys were there, Brad, Anthony, Sam, Joe, Jimmy and Fernando with his posse of gangbangers. I saw Chanel for the first time in months too and she hugged me and kissed my cheek. 

I think everybody is jumping the gun. Here's what Gov. Dooshy said:

During the curfew hours, people are prohibited from "using, standing, sitting, traveling or being present on any public street or in any public place, including for the purpose of travel."

The most notable exceptions in the order extend to "individuals traveling directly to and from work; attending religious services; commercial trucking and delivery services; obtaining food; caring for a family member, friend, or animal; patronizing or operating private businesses; seeking medical care or fleeing dangerous circumstances; and travel for any of the above services."

The order describes a “public place” as either privately or publicly owned property that is accessible to the general public. Wouldn't this mean bars? I think the owners overreacted. Supposedly my bar is going to be closed down at 7:30 until the curfew is lifted which kind of clobbers my Friday and Saturday nights. We called another bar we all go to and they were closing too.

I slammed 3 pints in an hour and texted my gf Jen to come over and bring her bf. We're still negotiating that.

GRRR!

<edit to add> Here's a link to a local TV station/newspaper article critical of this ridiculousness: https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/05/31/gov-ducey-imposes-curfew-because-scottsdale-mall-looted/5303806002/

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I'm with you PC over reaction. What l've been told is that the effort is to avoid liability. (Lawyers). The end results is that the innocent are forced to suffer for the misdeeds of a few narcisstic bad actors.

[Elisabeth]

Lock the people down for COVID for a few months and what do they expect?

We all put up with the quarantine and now that "they" know how much we'll put up with, it seems anything is fair game? What's next?

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I agree. Does not look good in the land of the free and the. Home of the Brave

[Antisthenes]

Insurance will pay for the losses. In a time where most businesses are shuttered, loss of revenue becomes a moot point anyways. It is my opinion that peaceful protest carries little weight with the powers that be. Hit them in the pocket book and they create contingencies to avoid losses in the future. In this case  that involves injustices perpetrated on African American men and  women. A very good thing in my estimation.

[zirconia]

Insurance will pay for the losses. In a time where most businesses are shuttered, loss of revenue becomes a moot point anyways. It is my opinion that peaceful protest carries little weight with the powers that be. Hit them in the pocket book and they create contingencies to avoid losses in the future. In this case  that involves injustices perpetrated on African American men and  women. A very good thing in my estimation.

That's interesting... Are all businesses there in principle insured against civil unrest? Here one has to pay extra for coverage of things like that and natural disasters, etc... and it's pretty much extra so most small businesses don't bother. Or by hitting them in the pocket book do you mean your government carries insurance or has a special fund to compensate for such losses?

Hm... I guess insurance, right? Because otherwise it would be tax money anyway, so the government wouldn't care? At least in Europe they're compensating all the losses from e.g. the closing of businesses due to the epidemic through taxation...

[Antisthenes]

Most leases in major cities throughout the U.S. are standard bolier plates and require Insurrection and civil Unrest liability. I was required to carry 1 million dollars of liabilty covering everything you can imagine on my Businesses. When you don't own the structure as is the case in most major metroplolitan areas you are at the mercy of the property owner and they seem to want every contingency covered.

[zirconia]

But... if the businesses pay insurance and the insurance covers the losses, then whose pocket book are the protesters hitting? The insurance companies?

Do the insurers have enough clout to change government policies?

Or do you mean that the businesses make less money due to the riots, and the decrease in tax revenue caused by the losses is great enough to hurt the government?

[Antisthenes]

Money drives America. It is the single most important thing. Our politics are built around it. Mitigating the loss of money is the most important thing to Big Business in the U.S. which in turn drives our politics. If abusing  an entire race of people results in a huge cost from things like rioting, laws will most likely be changed to protect these people and stop the insurrection.  We may have Civil rights for all in a de jure sense, but in practice, the de facto reality is that African Americans are second class citizens and it must cease. I mean...it just has to. The police can't keep abusing an entire race of humanity like this. It's sick.

[Kiera]

<edit to add> Here's a link to a local TV station/newspaper article critical of this ridiculousness:

       Wow all over a looted Apple I-phone store huh? Among other places I'm sure. Cops have a tough job, especially dealing with you "inner city" folks, wonder what would be the reaction if they just starting SHOOTING the offenders? Would probably make a general impression but, then again, suppose it'd 'ave to be a "general policy" and with an election year upon us suppose "law & order" would just be voted OUT.

Lordy can't AGREE on anything can we?

      Anyone know what this disrespectful 6'4", 260lb guy, who also happened to be black (what are the odds, percentages?) got detained for in the 1st place? I heard it was for passing counterfeit bills - wonder where those came from? Chances are he accepted them unknowingly so why such an attitude?

"oh we're sorry, keepin' that bill, can't help who you associate with"

      Happen to know Sheriffs 'round here actually LIKE their jobs, one told me "domestic disputes" can be the most amusing. *sigh* Always the 'male' one prejudiced against, being assumedly the easiest target, guess I'd just 'ave to take their word for it. Arizona still 'ave domestic "mandatory arrest" like everywhere in New York?

Vote with yer FEET and let 'em BURN IT DOWN?

      Having been an "unjust victim" in both states KissMyGrits don't wanna hear it either MOVE or get over the intimidation! It's what Southerners here called "white flight", wasn't my pappy's doin' and everyone can participte these days, we're ALL the same economic SLAVES so why not just get with the program?

Folks need to "police their own" lol just
like "us alledged trans" have been attempting to do?

[zirconia]

Antisthenes,

I just realized something. I do understand about landlords requiring policies on companies operating on their properties to ensure they will stay in business and continue to pay rent—but is all private property there also insured against civil unrest? I ask because what I see is completely unheard of here. I mean there's no looting or vandalism even during/after major natural disasters.

So, while the option is available, here it would be an outlandish thing to add. Especially for those with lower income. Although the well-off probably wouldn't hesitate. If you do carry insurance like that, how much does it cost?

Or does the social safety net provided by your government also cover things like that?

Sorry for all the questions... it's just feels very weird and alarming to see what's happening.